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Slotheadslim said:
It’s the same bars. CraftRide is the name of the manufacturer for his bars and mine. He wrote Road Craft in his first post but then CraftRide later. Hornig is a reseller. My bars had the CraftRide stickers on them. I found shipping by Hornig was less expensive than Motea but Motea is running a sale now so you should look at both sites.
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Thank, I’ll take a look at them. I’m thinking I could take them to my local powder coating shop and have them color matched closer to the bike.
 
Slotheadslim said:
How do you like the sissy bar? How was the install? It looks good. I like that it’s black like the engine bars. My significant other wanted a sissy bar and I was thinking of adding one but the BMW offerings don’t exist. I haven’t looked into other brands yet.
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I definitely like the sissy bar! It comes off in 5 seconds. I installed 80mm M8 stainless steel rods with 2 nuts as a spacer between the bushings for the sissy bar and the side bags. the bags slide over the protruding end of the rods and I secure them with wing nuts on the inside of the bags. Now the bags come off in 30 seconds for cleaning.
 
Can't get over the cost of genuine screws & bolts from BMW! I thought the price might be for a bag, not a single bolt.
Slotheadslim said:
So I recently received these bars from Hornig. Maybe I'm being too picky but the attached two pictures were areas on the bars where they hang as part of the powder coating process which I thought the manufacturer should have address before shipping. The bars themselves seem to be of good quality. I'm getting some touchup paint to cover up those areas but realistically you probably wouldn't see these areas when the bars are mounted. The bars are branded Craftride, the same as the ones on Motea https://www.motea.com/en/engine-gua...-crash-bar-38mm-craftride-mv5-black-a130021-0 . Hornig did a great job shipping them out right away from Germany to my location in the US and I received them in about 5 days including the weekend.

The hardware that comes with these bars have hex heads. I wanted Torx heads to match the rest of the bike so I ordered the some of the screws that come with the OEM engine bars that you can see here under Accessories https://shop.maxbmw.com/fiche/DiagramsMain.aspx?vid=61577&rnd=09082020 . The Hornig/Craftride bars use the screws M10x25, 10.9 on the lower sections near the bottom of the frame and the BMW ones are M30x30 10.9. Because these bars are thicker than the OEM ones the other two screws mounted near the top are larger too, M10x40 10.9 and M10x55 10.9 but the dealer wasn't able to locate any. If anyone know of someone who sells M10x40 10.9 and M10x55 10.9 screws with Torx heads please let me know.

BTW. If anyone is looking for touchup paint for our bikes in Black Storm Metallic no dealers I tried could get it. The one place I found to order it is here www.touchupdirect.com . It's not cheap and hopefully worth it.

Tom
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Just took advantage of the Black Friday sale that Motea is having on the craft ride crashbar MV5 Black and total with shipping to US was $263.93. Shipping is via UPS.
 
CharlieMac said:
Just took advantage of the Black Friday sale that Motea is having on the craft ride crashbar MV5 Black and total with shipping to US was $263.93. Shipping is via UPS.
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I think you will like it. Very high quality at least in the 38 mm spec’. Can’t comment on the 32mm.
 
At least in EU the price today (motea.com) was discounted to 366€ including the crash bars, a sissybar with back tray, extra bolts for the Classic (due bags) and shipping. Shame I don't have the bike yet to mount them on ;)
 
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Just about to pick up a new, left-over (long story) 2023 R18B. I'm really torn between the engine protection choices and a bit confused at some. I realize the motor company probably knows best, but I'm not convinced that just the single mounting tab at the top/center is the best, even though most others are that way as well. I really like the way the SW-Motech's mount, but their tube diameter is only 27mm. While this is probably enough to get the job done, it just doesn't seem to look right on such a robust bike. People here are saying that the Craftride and Hornig are the same...but Horning publishes 34mm and a post here says the Craftrides are 38mm...not a huge difference, but it would make it tough to believe they're the same. Someone also said that they could see the Hornigs possibly bending back easily? I wonder why that is anymore than the other offerings. And then there are the die hard Wunderlich/OEM fans. I'm sorry, but I just can't see the $600+ USD value in these. What am I missing? Kind of leaning towards the Hornig. Oh, also heard that the Hornigs are more of a matte or flat black, that's ok because I would powder coat them gloss...been coating for two of the local Harley shops in our area for 12 years. Your thoughts would be appreciated. Thank you.
 
Crash bars are really tip-over bars. The wall thickness can't take a strike from the front and have much saving effect. We have all dropped our bikes at one time or another. I prefer engine protection bars for this reason but don't figure they are any protection in a forward speed crash situation.
From an optics view, the bars from BMW look very nice on my R18. They are tapered forward slightly....looks just right.

I am contemplating another R18. If I get another, the first buy will be bars from BMW.
 
MatadorMkV said:
Just about to pick up a new, left-over (long story) 2023 R18B. I'm really torn between the engine protection choices and a bit confused at some. I realize the motor company probably knows best, but I'm not convinced that just the single mounting tab at the top/center is the best, even though most others are that way as well. I really like the way the SW-Motech's mount, but their tube diameter is only 27mm. While this is probably enough to get the job done, it just doesn't seem to look right on such a robust bike. People here are saying that the Craftride and Hornig are the same...but Horning publishes 34mm and a post here says the Craftrides are 38mm...not a huge difference, but it would make it tough to believe they're the same. Someone also said that they could see the Hornigs possibly bending back easily? I wonder why that is anymore than the other offerings. And then there are the die hard Wunderlich/OEM fans. I'm sorry, but I just can't see the $600+ USD value in these. What am I missing? Kind of leaning towards the Hornig. Oh, also heard that the Hornigs are more of a matte or flat black, that's ok because I would powder coat them gloss...been coating for two of the local Harley shops in our area for 12 years. Your thoughts would be appreciated. Thank you.
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The OEM engine crash bar attaches at the top and at the bottom of the frame x2, so you have 3 mounting places, ensuring a sturdy fit. They will protect your cylinder heads on both sides should you were to drop the bike standing still (I have done it twice) or if you were to slide at a moderate speed. In both occasions, the only damage I suffered was a minor scratch on the crash bar paint. A head on collision is a different ball game. Your front end/steering column will take the brunt and most likely be wrecked. On a head on clip/knoc on either side they should do a decent job by bending backwards and to certain extent, deflecting the forces imposed on the bike but you are also likely to turn your steering column on either side and fall. In this scenario and depending on the speed you were on, they are very likely to minimise the damage to the bike when it falls on its side.
A crash bar made by any manufacturer is not a ramming tool, they were designed to sacrifice themselves on a fall to protect more expensive components, even to provide a gap between the asphalt and the bike should your legs were trapped in within.
 
I understand the limitations of the bars...I've had them on nearly every street bike I've owned. Just really asking about the REAL differences between the offerings for the R18. As for the OEM's three mounting locations...that's true for about 99 percent of them...Except for the SW-Motechs that have three mounting points ON EACH SIDE...take a look at the video below...


https://sw-motech.us/en-us/p/405257...LQWVdojo9eX7G3XzHlSQuwie8dE50JTBoClkYQAvD_BwE

As I said earlier, I just don't think that the small tube diameter would look the best of the R18.

Incidentally, I was once clipped by another rider that had highway pegs extending from his crash bar. The pegs caught my crash bar and bent them back all the way to my forward controls on my Heritage. I had to bend it back on the road in order to use my rear brake. This may be hard for anyone to believe, but on a Harley, that center frame mounting tab can bend easily with a good forward or reverse hit on a crash bar...and this COULD by some insurance companies be considered frame damage...and COULD possibly mean a total loss!

Not sure what that top center mount looks like on the R18 because I don't have the bike yet.
 
You also have to consider the thickness of the metal, not just the tube diameter. I believe the OEM has the thickest. That's what I have on mone.
 
skidward said:
You also have to consider the thickness of the metal, not just the tube diameter. I believe the OEM has the thickest. That's what I have on mone.
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You are 100 percent correct about the thickness of the metal being a factor. My question would be...Where were you able to obtain the specifications for the metal thickness from all of the manufacturers listed in this thread?...and while we're on the topic of specifications...how about the grade of steel, quality of welds, the type of primer used under the top coat, the thickness of the mounting tabs, etc. ? I for one just don't assume the quality is better just because an item is OEM and the price is higher. If I did, I would only use BMW and Honda oil.
 
MatadorMkV said:
You are 100 percent correct about the thickness of the metal being a factor. My question would be...Where were you able to obtain the specifications for the metal thickness from all of the manufacturers listed in this thread?...and while we're on the topic of specifications...how about the grade of steel, quality of welds, the type of primer used under the top coat, the thickness of the mounting tabs, etc. ? I for one just don't assume the quality is better just because an item is OEM and the price is higher. If I did, I would only use BMW and Honda oil.
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Good luck with that.
 
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