BT Moto ECU Flash Group Buy and Discount!

[Witsend]

Long shot trouble shooting question here:

Anyone know.. Does the Brentune affect the electrical system in anyway? I have brand spanking new Clearwater lights installed. They were working fine. I did the tune. They worked fine after the tune when I did a 10 minute test around the block. However today, a day later I find that they were working on startup but at some time about 20 minutes into the ride they both went off. I’ve tried trouble shooting everything from fuses to connections –all good. Weird.

 

[harrisrc740]

Long shot trouble shooting question here:

Anyone know.. Does the Brentune affect the electrical system in anyway? I have brand spanking new Clearwater lights installed. They were working fine. I did the tune. They worked fine after the tune when I did a 10 minute test around the block. However today, a day later I find that they were working on startup but at some time about 20 minutes into the ride they both went off. I’ve tried trouble shooting everything from fuses to connections –all good. Weird.

How did you power the clearwater lights? Did you use one of the add on power distribution fuse blocks?

 

[Witsend]

How did you power the clearwater lights? Did you use one of the add on power distribution fuse blocks?

They're powered via a direct cable(s) +/- connection to the battery which then runs through this thing called a can opener (funny name for a small controller unit) that plugs into the alarm port.

Nothing had changed whatsoever from several days when they were working just fine... except the tune.. and then they only worked for the tune trial run yesterday and 20 minutes or so into today's ride.

My logic dictates their 'not working' is not from some cumulative effect... in other words it would seem if it were something with the tune --it wouldn't work at all, directly after the tune.

Fuses are good --connections are solid/good. no crimped wires, no moisture. I think maybe their controller box went bad? that's all I can figure. The "can opener" is highlighted below

 

[BigJimSlim]

So that $200. we just saved --POOF. That's just WRONG.

Yeah, that part stings bad, for sure.

 

[Noelpolar]

Mmm... when I read about the "update as part of the reverse fix process" I was going to add a comment about it..... probally should have! Sorry.

Hopefully if one removes the tune beforehand it will reload again after. Off course this will always be a risk if the bike is seeing BMW's workshop.

 

[Noelpolar]

Long shot trouble shooting question here:

Anyone know.. Does the Brentune affect the electrical system in anyway? I have brand spanking new Clearwater lights installed. They were working fine. I did the tune. They worked fine after the tune when I did a 10 minute test around the block. However today, a day later I find that they were working on startup but at some time about 20 minutes into the ride they both went off. I’ve tried trouble shooting everything from fuses to connections –all good. Weird.

Funny how this sort of thing happens at the worst times...... as an electronic worker person in the past, given the lights worked ok with the tune initially, and that the lighting kit hasn't been on the bike all that long, I'd be thinking at 85% certainty, of early life failure of an aspect of the lighting kit or a connection issue.

As an old person now, that can't find the car keys I put down last night, I'd be fixated on the tune (5% chance) and would load the stock one and see what happens.

Now for the 10% remainer, as a long term married person this would be allocated to "shit happens" and I have no idea why, but I must of done something wrong and need to appologise to my bike and maybe buy it some flowers.

And.... 2yrs from now, having not been able to fix the problem and given up, I'll activate the bike alarm for the first time and the lights will start working again, though now I no longer ride at night.

 

[Witsend]

Thank you. I really didnt want to load the old euc.. but I bet thats what Clearwater tech tells me to do too...

 

[Anibal]

Apparently an update is required along with the fix. Not sure if it’s an ECU update or a TFT update, but I fully expect I’ll be dishing out another $200 to BT for a revised tune.

Mine is due for the reverse gear fix next Thursday. The tech guy told me on Friday that when they install the new module, they have to tell the ECU that a new part was installed that is different from the original. The update could take up to 18hrs apparently and also address the SOS issues some BMW bikes are experiencing.

 

[Cheerios]

Anybody seeing this with the install...? I have actually uninstalled McAfee and have no Windows anti-crap running (ever). I have gotten this error many times installing, uninstalling, reinstalling, etc.

 

[Witsend]

Anybody seeing this with the install...? I have actually uninstalled McAfee and have no Windows anti-crap running (ever). I have gotten this error many times installing, uninstalling, reinstalling, etc.

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Yes. It happened with mine. 10 times I tried it. Tech support was very prompt in addressing it. However, it likely will take downloading/installing the remote log in tool called SplashtopSOS.exe (as per recommended by them) and allowing them access to your computer.

Took them 2 minutes going into the settings and everything was resolved.

 

[Noelpolar]

I had that (or something similar).... when I did the install before the hand held device arrived. Once I had the unit and plugeed it into the PC and selected the 4th option it updated without the error.

 

[Cheerios]

I had that (or something similar).... when I did the install before the hand held device arrived. Once I had the unit and plugeed it into the PC and selected the 4th option it updated without the error.

Good to know. I was trying to be proactive and install the software upfront. I will uninstall again and wait for the device to arrive.

 

[Witsend]

Here's the error that happened to me even with the device plugged in. Whereas this was more about connecting to the server to update the MyGenius app, yours may be because it was not detecting a device.

 

[Witsend]

From what I have understood from the post above https://www.r18forums.com/threads/bt-moto-ecu-flash-group-buy-and-discount.727/post-52089

The reverse fix will require BMW updating the ECU. Therefore unless you want muck around do NOT add the BT MOTO tune to your R18 until you had the reverse fixed

In other words: If you do the tune before the reverse is fixed the original ECU will have to be reloaded back into the ECU, the bike taken in to have the reverse issue fixed and at that time the orig ECU will be updated to read the reverse fix.

Then you'll have to pay the remapping $200. (killing the coupon deal) to have the NEW ORIG ECU read, reupload the file, redownload the file and update the ECU with the new tune.

I wish I had known. A lot of messing around now and my $200. coupon savings out the window. If BMW just did shyt right to begin with.. we wouldn't need the tune must less the reverse fix.

I might just say screw the reverse --having the bike in the grubby uncaring hands of mechanics for 18 hours elicits fears of all kind of cosmetic damages.. paint chips and scratches. 18 hours to me is a huge job where it would sound to my uneducated mind that the whole engine bay would have to come out.

 

[Noelpolar]

I can understand you frustration.

I was thinking of putting off the purchase of a tune for my R18 until after it's warranty had expired (in Australia you void your warranty if you service the bike yourself... for the most part)... and my bike has a 5yr warranty so October 27.... and with the reverse rebate I have free servicing to then. I am a person who preffers to maintain their own bike.

Anyway, I am about to buy the R18 tune now having experience my R9t with their tune, and will probally load straight away and get the reverse fix done towards the end of the year when I have it serviced.

At this stage my guess is that, as long as I load the original tune before taking the bike in for service, there is a good chance (80%... but just a guess still) that the original "engine tune" for my bike will be the same as last year's version and the bike "electronic update" as part of the service won't impact that..... so I can just reload the BT tune after the service/reverse fix. Fingers crossed!

Anyway, if it goes to poo then so be it..... every year above ground in the last 20% of one's likely life span is worth a few minor affordable risks. If it does go to poo then I'll probally just service the bike from there on (my risk/benefit position).

As far as 18 hours goes..... firsty (corporate thinking hat on) is that BMW are paying the dealers little on the basis that the job will be a "filler background task" so they book in a couple a day and fit it around the "paying jobs". Only other reason I would think 18hrs is likely would be if the software load update is slow which could mean a more comprehensive update which works against "leave our tune as is" hopes!

 

[Noelpolar]

Oh well, just bought a tune for the R18.... so 2 for me.

 

[Cheerios]

Purchased

Ok, for an honest feedback after 100 miles on this BT tune on an R18TC first edition. This of course is my subjective opinions from over 14000 miles on this specific bike and a million or more miles on other bikes over too many years…and not based on a dyno result since I do not perform dynos for fun, I ride. I do like to ride cross country and routes that take many days to complete so I am bias in that respect.

Personal general opinion…Meh…

The throttle is a little more crisp in the first 3 gears but I would not be jumping up and down and calling everyone about my new found experience that they must have it. Of course, there is a slight uptick in 4th and nothing noticeable in 5th or 6th which i would not expect.

There is an obvious slight rumble in idle and I am glad it is just slight as I am not a fan of drilled out pipes and other aftermarket hardware that sends vibrations through the seat and bars.

As for power from the throttle, I was expecting a little splash in the rear when goosing in some twisties but not enough of a power gain to weight ratio in the change to bring in a little spirited excitement. Maybe the TC trim is just to heavy.

I noticed that my bikes flat spot at 3600 rpm in 4th gear is gone so a pleasant surprise. In fact, I did need to test out the removal of the rpm limiter and the bike continued to perform well past the factory rpm limits.

For the same 100 mile route in the original stock map, the BT map lowered fuel performance by 6.2 mpg. So for someone who likes long, multi-day journeys, the jury is still out and I may need to revert to the stock map for the long trips.

Ok, so I have remapped other bikes before but all for sport bikes and mostly for track use. I was not expecting a light bike, high rpm output change, but overall the price point is too high considering what I got for it. I also need to consider getting a new map when it gets serviced as an additional cost. The ECU will eventually get updated in service even if I ask them to not do it.

 

[pbosik]

Ok, for an honest feedback after 100 miles on this BT tune on an R18TC first edition. This of course is my subjective opinions from over 14000 miles on this specific bike and a million or more miles on other bikes over too many years…and not based on a dyno result since I do not perform dynos for fun, I ride. I do like to ride cross country and routes that take many days to complete so I am bias in that respect.

Personal general opinion…Meh…

The throttle is a little more crisp in the first 3 gears but I would not be jumping up and down and calling everyone about my new found experience that they must have it. Of course, there is a slight uptick in 4th and nothing noticeable in 5th or 6th which i would not expect.

There is an obvious slight rumble in idle and I am glad it is just slight as I am not a fan of drilled out pipes and other aftermarket hardware that sends vibrations through the seat and bars.

As for power from the throttle, I was expecting a little splash in the rear when goosing in some twisties but not enough of a power gain to weight ratio in the change to bring in a little spirited excitement. Maybe the TC trim is just to heavy.

I noticed that my bikes flat spot at 3600 rpm in 4th gear is gone so a pleasant surprise. In fact, I did need to test out the removal of the rpm limiter and the bike continued to perform well past the factory rpm limits.

For the same 100 mile route in the original stock map, the BT map lowered fuel performance by 6.2 mpg. So for someone who likes long, multi-day journeys, the jury is still out and I may need to revert to the stock map for the long trips.

Ok, so I have remapped other bikes before but all for sport bikes and mostly for track use. I was not expecting a light bike, high rpm output change, but overall the price point is too high considering what I got for it. I also need to consider getting a new map when it gets serviced as an additional cost. The ECU will eventually get updated in service even if I ask them to not do it.

I agree with your review. I wish there was more that Bren could have done, with the tune.

 

[BigJimSlim]

Ok, for an honest feedback after 100 miles on this BT tune on an R18TC first edition. This of course is my subjective opinions from over 14000 miles on this specific bike and a million or more miles on other bikes over too many years…and not based on a dyno result since I do not perform dynos for fun, I ride. I do like to ride cross country and routes that take many days to complete so I am bias in that respect.

Personal general opinion…Meh…

The throttle is a little more crisp in the first 3 gears but I would not be jumping up and down and calling everyone about my new found experience that they must have it. Of course, there is a slight uptick in 4th and nothing noticeable in 5th or 6th which i would not expect.

There is an obvious slight rumble in idle and I am glad it is just slight as I am not a fan of drilled out pipes and other aftermarket hardware that sends vibrations through the seat and bars.

As for power from the throttle, I was expecting a little splash in the rear when goosing in some twisties but not enough of a power gain to weight ratio in the change to bring in a little spirited excitement. Maybe the TC trim is just to heavy.

I noticed that my bikes flat spot at 3600 rpm in 4th gear is gone so a pleasant surprise. In fact, I did need to test out the removal of the rpm limiter and the bike continued to perform well past the factory rpm limits.

For the same 100 mile route in the original stock map, the BT map lowered fuel performance by 6.2 mpg. So for someone who likes long, multi-day journeys, the jury is still out and I may need to revert to the stock map for the long trips.

Ok, so I have remapped other bikes before but all for sport bikes and mostly for track use. I was not expecting a light bike, high rpm output change, but overall the price point is too high considering what I got for it. I also need to consider getting a new map when it gets serviced as an additional cost. The ECU will eventually get updated in service even if I ask them to not do it.

Pretty accurate to my own experience. I do find it wakes the bike up enough to make it “better”, but the cost is pretty insane for what you get.

 

[Witsend]

Ok, for an honest feedback after 100 miles on this BT tune on an R18TC first edition. This of course is my subjective opinions from over 14000 miles on this specific bike and a million or more miles on other bikes over too many years…and not based on a dyno result since I do not perform dynos for fun, I ride. I do like to ride cross country and routes that take many days to complete so I am bias in that respect.

Personal general opinion…Meh…

The throttle is a little more crisp in the first 3 gears but I would not be jumping up and down and calling everyone about my new found experience that they must have it. Of course, there is a slight uptick in 4th and nothing noticeable in 5th or 6th which i would not expect.

There is an obvious slight rumble in idle and I am glad it is just slight as I am not a fan of drilled out pipes and other aftermarket hardware that sends vibrations through the seat and bars.

As for power from the throttle, I was expecting a little splash in the rear when goosing in some twisties but not enough of a power gain to weight ratio in the change to bring in a little spirited excitement. Maybe the TC trim is just to heavy.

I noticed that my bikes flat spot at 3600 rpm in 4th gear is gone so a pleasant surprise. In fact, I did need to test out the removal of the rpm limiter and the bike continued to perform well past the factory rpm limits.

For the same 100 mile route in the original stock map, the BT map lowered fuel performance by 6.2 mpg. So for someone who likes long, multi-day journeys, the jury is still out and I may need to revert to the stock map for the long trips.

Ok, so I have remapped other bikes before but all for sport bikes and mostly for track use. I was not expecting a light bike, high rpm output change, but overall the price point is too high considering what I got for it. I also need to consider getting a new map when it gets serviced as an additional cost. The ECU will eventually get updated in service even if I ask them to not do it.

What mode were you in? I noticed the sharper response in 1, 2, 3 when in Roll --nothing really in 4th and beyond.
I haven't tried Rock mode yet. But rock is a bit much for me.

Here's what they say is improved:

• Full-Time Closed Loop (FTCL) Fueling Adjustments
• Removed RPM "Soft" Limiter
• Rough Idle Fix - Cold and Warm
• Increased Torque Limits
• Increased Throttle Limiter To 100%
• Sharper Throttle Response
• More Aggressive "Rock" Mode Rumble
• Increased Ignition Timing
• Fixed Bucking and Rev Hang
• Removed Top Speed Limiter