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I have an R18TC with nearly 30K miles in 18 months, always dealer serviced. I recently replaced Advantec 15W50 with MOTUL 7100 15W50 and it performed very well. I am going to a 20W50 as I live in S. FL and am convinced with miles I am putting on it oil matters. Everything I've read if showing Red Line "Motorcycle Engine Oil" is a superior choice over anything else and I've found it for $15 bucks a quart online, Amazon. Anyone have any experience with this oil?
 
I've tried Car Motul v300 and 7100 in 15w50.

7100 had zero metal on my drain plug for 4 of my oil changes so far (done at 5000km intervals/ every 2-3 months or twice during my riding season in Canada).
So I'm sticking with that formula or using 20w50 if not available.

Liquid Moly is another brand I trust but not always available in 50w near me.

Short Answer - do what you want as long as a minimum it's 15w-50. We have a Dry Clutch, so you're not limited to moto spec.
 
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FWIW, just make sure you use oil that meets/exceeds BMW's OEM standards. For me personally, I use "Liqui Moly Motorbike 4T SAE 15W-50", as it has all the standards required for our engines and catalytic converters, particularly "JASO MA2". Liquid Moly IMO is the best, cheapest oil for our bikes. I don't believe in throwing $$$$ towards brand names (e.g. BMW) when a cheaper brand has the EXACT SAME lubrication standards. It's like how the cheaper Walmart brand oil is just as good as the name brand stuff (in certain situations - watch "Project Farm" on YT, he tests these products).

All that tells me is that the "BMW's" of the world feel they can price gouge their customers.

Here's the oil I use:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00D91Q402/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_image?ie=UTF8&psc=1

And a quick article on the various JASO standards:
https://rymax-lubricants.com/updates/what-does-the-jaso-oil-specification-mean

Quick article on "API SL":
https://360.lubrizol.com/Specifications/API-Passenger/API-SL

Bottom line: "API SL" means it's top-shelf oil, and is the current API specification for modern engines. "JASO MA2" is the Japanese oil standard, with "MA2" signifying it's use in motorcycle engines that have catalytic converters.

Mike
This guy oils…..I did the same thing, and took it one step further. Instead of paying a million dollars an ounce for the trans and final drive fluid, Stellantis (Ram pickups) has the exact fluid for far cheaper….I changed mine out at approx. 4,000 miles, flawless approaching 7000 miles now.
 

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This guy oils…..I did the same thing, and took it one step further. Instead of paying a million dollars an ounce for the trans and final drive fluid, Stellantis (Ram pickups) has the exact fluid for far cheaper….I changed mine out at approx. 4,000 miles, flawless approaching 7000 miles now.
I use the same thing! I have a Mopar dealer 5 minutes from me and they stock it for Jeep trannies. 3 bottles a year at GM prices makes it more palatable! The smell of this oil though is nasty though....
 
I've got 28k miles on my R18TC and am using MOTUL 7100 15w50 new API is SP. Amazon $51-$53, 4L container. I ride the bike hard & change it every 3500-4500 miles as I live in S. FL and it's hot. This is an exceptional oil at a fair price, it never leaves any metal on the plug, it does not evaporate, not even a little and the bike seems to be smoother. Fuel mileage when not ridden hard has improved to 40-43 mpg. Very happy with their product, I strongly recommend it.
 
The JASO MA, MA1, MA2 ratings are mandatory for use in wet clutch applications to prevent clutch slippage... MA for low power engines, MA1 for medium power engines, MA2 for high power engines.
 
I've tried Car Motul v300 and 7100 in 15w50.

7100 had zero metal on my drain plug for 4 of my oil changes so far (done at 5000km intervals/ every 2-3 months or twice during my riding season in Canada).
So I'm sticking with that formula or using 20w50 if not available.

Liquid Moly is another brand I trust but not always available in 50w near me.

Short Answer - do what you want as long as a minimum it's 15w-50. We have a Dry Clutch, so you're not limited to moto spec.
You are limited to moto spec , not for clutch engagement purposes on a R-18, but for the additive packages required and needed for the heat generated both at idle, and when your cylinder head is both air AND OIL COOLED. Heat destroys additive packages, it breaks the chemical components for film and barrier protection additives down. Therefore, in oil and air cooled engines, the additive package for motorcycles is substantially higher and more heavy duty, than for water cooled car engines. Do some more oil research on motorcycle oils on Bob Is The Oil Guy, if you want to learn more.

For your applications, Motul 7100, from many other riders I talk with around So CA, Motul is very good stuff. Another oil that gets very good reviews from Blackstone oil samples sent in, is Mobil 1 V Twin 20w-50. 20w (winter grade) 50 is fine if you're not in states where you start up your engine below 32F, or only rarely.
 
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Use Mobil 1 15w50 Advanced Full Synthetic. It's ZDDP is much higher than Motul & for our flat tappet pushrod engine it is not only better but has higher thermal break down and a very low NOACK rating, even lower than Motorex Boxer 15w50, further it is "SP" rated which is the latest "API" rating which means it has additives to keep street engine s very clean that won't break down in heat. Only possible "Side Effect" could be deterioration of the catalytic converter, but my R18TC with nearly 45k on it now has zero blow-by in the airbox, doesn't deplete oil fill level in-between changes and the drain tube is always dry. It is by far cost effective and the better option. I used MOTUL 7100 (Very Good Oil) for my first 35k miles and live in S.FL = High Heat. The bike is quieter, Runs cooler and is what I will use for the remainder of its life. I do use MOTUL Gear 300 75w90 for the Bevel & Tranny changing both every 10k and love it. Very smooth & quiet shifting and doesn't break down.
 
The JASO MA, MA1, MA2 ratings are mandatory for use in wet clutch applications to prevent clutch slippage... MA for low power engines, MA1 for medium power engines, MA2 for high power engines.
Does BMW make a bike with a wet clutch?
 
Use Mobil 1 15w50 Advanced Full Synthetic. It's ZDDP is much higher than Motul & for our flat tappet pushrod engine it is not only better but has higher thermal break down and a very low NOACK rating, even lower than Motorex Boxer 15w50, further it is "SP" rated which is the latest "API" rating which means it has additives to keep street engine s very clean that won't break down in heat. Only possible "Side Effect" could be deterioration of the catalytic converter, but my R18TC with nearly 45k on it now has zero blow-by in the airbox, doesn't deplete oil fill level in-between changes and the drain tube is always dry. It is by far cost effective and the better option. I used MOTUL 7100 (Very Good Oil) for my first 35k miles and live in S.FL = High Heat. The bike is quieter, Runs cooler and is what I will use for the remainder of its life. I do use MOTUL Gear 300 75w90 for the Bevel & Tranny changing both every 10k and love it. Very smooth & quiet shifting and doesn't break down.
It's zinc and phosphorus levels are nowhere near as high as the Mobil 1 motorcycle V Twin 20w-50 motor oil. Compare it yourself, roughly 30 and 45% more in the V Twin motor oil.
15w-50 extended performance... 1200 zinc 1320 phosphorus.
20w-50 V Twin motorcycle..........1560 zinc 1770 phosphorus.

Mobil puts the term "motorcycle" there on the oil, for a reason.... they know far more about additive requirements for air cooled motorcycle oils than you or I do. Be cheap, wreck your motor, sooner rather than later. One is car oil, the other is motorcycle oil, completely different design and additive requirements.


https://www.mobil.com/lubricants/-/...lang=en&hash=1D2C65D223FC584E5C5A6CCC91BE38D9
 
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It's zinc and phosphorus levels are nowhere near as high as the Mobil 1 motorcycle V Twin 20w-50 motor oil. Compare it yourself, roughly 30 and 45% more in the V Twin motor oil.
15w-50 extended performance... 1200 zinc 1320 phosphorus.
20w-50 V Twin motorcycle..........1560 zinc 1770 phosphorus.

Mobil puts the term "motorcycle" there on the oil, for a reason.... they know far more about additive requirements for air cooled motorcycle oils than you or I do. Be cheap, wreck your motor, sooner rather than later. One is car oil, the other is motorcycle oil, completely different design and additive requirements.


https://www.mobil.com/lubricants/-/...lang=en&hash=1D2C65D223FC584E5C5A6CCC91BE38D9
Red Line 15-50
Zinc, Avg PPM2260
Phosphorus, Avg PPM2030
Molybdenum, Avg PPM130
 
Does BMW make a bike with a wet clutch?
My old K100 and K1200 were dry clutch bikes; the K1300 was a wet clutch design. Design wise, the older K bikes were notorious for the $2.85 seal failing, letting oil through into the clutch housing and costing the rider a new clutch. The K1300 was a superb machine - the wet clutch eleminated the seal failure problem, but meant the oil had to serve two masters: both engine and clutch. The oil specs were an issue, some of the additives in the newer / higher spec oils didn't like the friction pads in the clutch. From memory, I think there was an issue with zinc. BMW also put the clutch on side of the K1300s, making it much easier to get to the clutch and replace it. I think its kind of interesting that the R18s all come with a dry clutch - very R-series retro - any issues with seals or clutches yet?
 
Yes, my R1200RS had a wet clutch as does the R1250RS and R1300RS
Most new BMWs have wet clutches...of course the R18s are dry.
I have owned a few BMWs all purchased new, only the R1200RS had a wet clutch.
Interesting that the Roctane engine/trans is a larger version of my 2002 R1150 engine/trans...an oilhead.
1985 K100
2002 R1150 Roadster
2016 R1200RS
2024 Roctane
 
Another dry clutch conundrum.
If a bike has a dry clutch, why would a rider purchase the "V-twin" version of a particular oil?
 
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