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J'ai installé CRUISETEC sur ma TC.

Bien que ces pneus soient parfaits pour la pluie, rendant la moto encore plus maniable, un important louvoiement de l'avant est apparu aux alentours de 40-50 km/h, ce qui est très désagréable. J'ai fait changer le pneu, pensant qu'il était défectueux, mais le problème persistait… Après avoir consulté trois revendeurs, il s'avère que ce pneu n'est pas adapté à la R18, contrairement à ce qui est indiqué sur leur site web.

Je ne le remettrais plus en place.
Retour d'expérience cruisetec sur TC , NE PAS MONTER CES PNEUS SUR LA TC , Ce pneu avant n'est pas adapté à la TC , grosses oscillations à l'avant et au bout de 4000 kms , inconduisible .
J'ai mis le commander 3 a l'avant et laisser le cruiseten a l'arrière, parfaitement combinaison apparemment et plus de problème a l'avant.
 
Metzeler ME888 on front ( had to replace Commander 3 which had 13,000kms and still probably another 3-4 k . When buying 2nd hand bikes in Australia, tyre has to have more than 1.5 mm of rubber above wear markers ). Rear Commander still plenty of life. Metzeler ME888 front tyre a lot quieter. Will replace rear with one of these.
 
Ok, this is a pretty old thread, but I've just swapped my tires over. So thought it might be a good time to chip in. Here's the story:
  • My TC came to me with Michellin Commander IIIs on, front and rear. The previous owner was getting good handling and great wear, probably doing dry, warmer, country miles. Between the two of us, the TC has now done 22,800+ kms and was on its third front Comander III and its second rear.
  • The front was getting quite badly scolloped out on the shoulders and needed replacing. I figure I do more cornering and city traffic than the previous owner, so I put a new Michellin Commander III on the front to match the rear.
  • Yes, I'm fussy about tire pressure and use a high quality tire pressure guage (rather than relying on the TPM sensors). And yes, I generally ride in Rock mode, but will switch down to Roll in the rain. I've only gone to Rain mode twice, and that was because of frost (the road surfaces were super slippery and its was down around -2 C heading in to work).
  • While the Commander IIIs were great for wear, and pretty good handling in the dry, I found them quite slippery in cold, wet conditions. Back was a real problem. In the pouring rain the back would aquaplane or fish tail, even in straight line riding. I reckon there weren't enough water grooves to move the water out to the sides and it just lost traction.
  • After 2,000+ kms on the new front tire I decided to call it quits and swapped both over to Metzler CruiseTecs. Its winter here - think cold and wet - and I like having all of me in one piece and well away from the tarmac. Yes, it was expensive, but handling is chalk and cheese, particularly in cold, wet, or icy conditions. The CruiseTecs corner better, handle better, and grip better. They are quiet (the Commander IIIs were very slightly noisier, I think, but its a bit hard to tell sitting on a 1802 cc boxer), and super smooth. Stopping distances seem about the same, but I'm more confident on the CriuseTecs (that R18 thing about "only brake in a straight line" is still a very good rule, but on these tyre I can fudge it a little). For those reading the previous posts, there is no sign of tyre or wheel vibration at any point up to 5,000 rpms. I guess the trade off will be in wear and distances / $, but I'll have to see.
Bottom line, I suspect the CruiseTecs have changed compounds and tread designs significantly since some of the earlier posts in this thread. My 10c is that the CruiseTecs are a signifcantly better bet. If I was only riding long distances in summer the Commander IIIs could be a good call.

As an aside, I also looked at Pirelli Night Dragons, but couldn't find anyone who had them on an R18 to compare notes with. And my BMW mob do not sell Avons, so they were off the list too.
 
Bon, ce sujet date un peu, mais je viens de changer mes pneus. Du coup, je me suis dit que c'était peut-être le bon moment pour intervenir. Voici comment ça s'est passé :
  • Ma TC m'a été livrée avec des pneus Michelin Commander III à l'avant et à l'arrière. L'ancien propriétaire en tirait un bon comportement routier et une usure normale, probablement grâce à des trajets sur route sèche et chaude. À nous deux, la TC a maintenant parcouru plus de 22 800 km et en était à son troisième pneu avant Commander III et à son deuxième pneu arrière.
  • Le pneu avant était très usé au niveau des épaules et nécessitait d'être remplacé. Comme je conduis plus souvent en ville et dans les virages que l'ancien propriétaire, j'ai monté un Michelin Commander III neuf à l'avant, assorti à celui de l'arrière.
  • Oui, je suis très attentif à la pression des pneus et j'utilise un manomètre de haute qualité (plutôt que de me fier aux capteurs TPM). Et oui, je roule généralement en mode Rock, mais je passe en mode Roll en cas de pluie. Je n'ai utilisé le mode Rain que deux fois, et c'était à cause du gel (la chaussée était extrêmement glissante et il faisait environ -2 °C en allant au travail).
  • Si les Commander III étaient très confortables et offraient une bonne tenue de route sur le sec, je les ai trouvés assez glissants par temps froid et humide. L'arrière posait un réel problème. Sous une pluie battante, l'arrière se mettait à aquaplaner ou à déraper, même en ligne droite. Je pense qu'il n'y avait pas assez de rainures pour évacuer l'eau latéralement, ce qui entraînait une perte d'adhérence.
  • Après plus de 2 000 km avec le pneu avant neuf, j'ai décidé de le changer et j'ai opté pour des Metzeler CruiseTec à l'avant et à l'arrière. Ici, c'est l'hiver – il fait froid et humide – et je préfère être en sécurité et loin du bitume. Certes, c'était cher, mais la différence de tenue de route est flagrante, surtout par temps froid, humide ou verglacé. Les CruiseTec offrent une meilleure maniabilité, une meilleure tenue de route et une meilleure adhérence. Ils sont silencieux (les Commander III étaient légèrement plus bruyants, il me semble, mais c'est difficile à dire au guidon d'un 1802 cm³ boxer) et d'un confort de conduite exceptionnel. Les distances de freinage semblent similaires, mais je me sens plus en confiance avec les CruiseTec (le conseil de la R18 de « freiner uniquement en ligne droite » reste une excellente règle, mais avec ces pneus, je peux me permettre quelques écarts). Pour ceux qui ont lu les messages précédents, il n'y a aucune vibration des pneus ou des roues jusqu'à 5 000 tr/min. J'imagine que le compromis se fera au niveau de l'usure et des distances parcourues par rapport au prix, mais je devrai voir.
En résumé, je pense que les pneus CruiseTec ont subi des modifications importantes au niveau de leur composition et de leur sculpture depuis les premiers messages de cette discussion. À mon avis, les CruiseTec sont un bien meilleur choix. Si je ne faisais que de longs trajets en été, les Commander III pourraient convenir.

Au passage, j'ai aussi regardé les Pirelli Night Dragon, mais je n'ai trouvé personne qui les ait montés sur une R18 pour comparer. Et comme mon entourage BMW ne vend pas de pneus Avon, je les ai éliminés de la liste.
Bonjour,
Je ne suis absolument pas OK avec vous , certes,ces pneus sont top , sauf qua entre 50 et 60 Km/h c'est infernal,ça louvoie à mort et c'est de pire en pire avec l'usure, j'ai essayé 2 cruisetec a l'avant , j'ai abandonné, remis un commandant 3 et nickel. Idem pour une connaissance à moi en TC .
Il est bizarre que cela ne vous soit pas arrivé, tant mieux . Dommage car ce sont de très bon pneus.
 
My TC came with Michelin Commanders. I was not diligent about the tire pressure as I was not riding a lot when i first bought the bike. Three years later and 11K miles, the front tire roared like a banshee and needed replacement. I bought a VR rated Michelin Commander. It is quieter than the old tire. I plan to try the Metzler tires next.
 
WTH happened here? I never posted that yet it showed posted as me. I since deleted it.
I don't have a TC... weird
 
Ok, this is a pretty old thread, but I've just swapped my tires over. So thought it might be a good time to chip in. Here's the story:
  • My TC came to me with Michellin Commander IIIs on, front and rear. The previous owner was getting good handling and great wear, probably doing dry, warmer, country miles. Between the two of us, the TC has now done 22,800+ kms and was on its third front Comander III and its second rear.
  • The front was getting quite badly scolloped out on the shoulders and needed replacing. I figure I do more cornering and city traffic than the previous owner, so I put a new Michellin Commander III on the front to match the rear.
  • Yes, I'm fussy about tire pressure and use a high quality tire pressure guage (rather than relying on the TPM sensors). And yes, I generally ride in Rock mode, but will switch down to Roll in the rain. I've only gone to Rain mode twice, and that was because of frost (the road surfaces were super slippery and its was down around -2 C heading in to work).
  • While the Commander IIIs were great for wear, and pretty good handling in the dry, I found them quite slippery in cold, wet conditions. Back was a real problem. In the pouring rain the back would aquaplane or fish tail, even in straight line riding. I reckon there weren't enough water grooves to move the water out to the sides and it just lost traction.
  • After 2,000+ kms on the new front tire I decided to call it quits and swapped both over to Metzler CruiseTecs. Its winter here - think cold and wet - and I like having all of me in one piece and well away from the tarmac. Yes, it was expensive, but handling is chalk and cheese, particularly in cold, wet, or icy conditions. The CruiseTecs corner better, handle better, and grip better. They are quiet (the Commander IIIs were very slightly noisier, I think, but its a bit hard to tell sitting on a 1802 cc boxer), and super smooth. Stopping distances seem about the same, but I'm more confident on the CriuseTecs (that R18 thing about "only brake in a straight line" is still a very good rule, but on these tyre I can fudge it a little). For those reading the previous posts, there is no sign of tyre or wheel vibration at any point up to 5,000 rpms. I guess the trade off will be in wear and distances / $, but I'll have to see.
Bottom line, I suspect the CruiseTecs have changed compounds and tread designs significantly since some of the earlier posts in this thread. My 10c is that the CruiseTecs are a signifcantly better bet. If I was only riding long distances in summer the Commander IIIs could be a good call.

As an aside, I also looked at Pirelli Night Dragons, but couldn't find anyone who had them on an R18 to compare notes with. And my BMW mob do not sell Avons, so they were off the list too.
I'm also in Aus and looking for a tyre with better grip, I only have 2,600ks on the new Commander III's but have very little trust in them, especially the rear in the wet, too flat in profile and short on tread grooves. Do you think the Cruisetecs are the stickiest/sportiest tyre available in the size we need?
My bike is a standard R18 with 16" rear.
 
Do you think the Cruisetecs are the stickiest/sportiest tire available in the size we need?
Not sure I can help - my bike's a 2021 Transcontential which has a different wheel size to you R18 (Rears are 18" vs 16", I think). Plus, in my case n = 2 (Commander IIIs and now CruiseTecs), which isn't enough to be useful really. If sticky and sporty were your only criteria then maybe have a look at the Pirelli Night Dragons? Feedback from anyone running them would be interesting ...
 
Cruisetec feedback on TC, DO NOT FIT THESE TIRES ON THE TC, This front tire is not suitable for the TC, large oscillations at the front and after 4000 km, undrivable.
I put the Commander 3 in the front and left the Cruiseten in the back, a perfect combination apparently and no more problems in the front.
I purchased and mounted the Metzler CruiseTec blackwall tires with the stock size and tire pressure on my 2022 Model B last 2025 riding season, just prior to a long five day road trip; I noticed immediately, lower road noise...

I recently had an "opportunity" (lucky me..) to get plenty of rain time with the METZLER Cruise Tech tires during AMERICADE this year; I felt very confident with the performance, on the wet roads..

I'm still happy with the purchase, their overall roadworthiness and performance.

Concerning the wheel wobble.. maybe check and see if the mechanic, mounted the tires correctly; take a look and verify that the manufacturer's indicators line up with the valve stem, wheel weights aren't missing and such.

See below images:

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My '23 Classic has the Michelin Commanders. I got the bike new last August and it is at about 2,400 miles. Over the last week, I had my first real wet outing on it and I am not pleased. These tires are perfectly fine dry, but the wet performance was very nearly dangerous.

I abandoned a road trip as a result.

I was headed to the BMW rally, passing through Lansing when the weather hit. Steady rain, but nothing particularly heavy. Enough to have cleared the usual surface oils on the road that are an issue when it rains lightly or has just started. What I noticed was the back end breaking loose very easily. Even switching to rain mode and handling the throttle like a cracked egg, the rear was continually slipping. Once I got onto he interstate, it even broke out at over 50mph while just changing lanes. That was the end for me. No chance I was pushing on when simple moderate rain made it feel like a quarter inch of snow. It was also a warm rain with temperatures in the mid-70s, so cold tires was not the factor. Overall, handling was at best questionable but quickly crossed over to something like riding on wet clay. So, these are a solid "no go" in the wet for me.

I rode a rented 21 classic through mountain passes in January 2022 felt more confident in light snow / sleet at 29 degrees. No idea what tires that one had, but it did better than I expected under the circumstances.

I have Metzler RoadTecs on my 1250 RS and my 85 R80. They are excellent pretty much everywhere. I also love the Avon RoadRider MKIIs on my 91 R100. Given that I just abandoned the Michelins I had initially put on the 85 for crappy road feel, I may be done with them for my motorcycles.
 
Hello All. I’m not really close to getting new tires but I’d like to know as much as possible before that time comes. I know very little about tires and was wondering what people thought would work well when the time comes for new rubber…. Have a great day!
Hi
Never liked the tyres it came with and luckily had a puncture so gave me opportunity to change them, and looked at all available ( not many) and fell back to my favs Bridgestone
The H50 is the right tyre for this bike - no issues in the wet, corners well in all weathers and has longevity - so only change to do is get a 70 profile it gives it stiffer walls
i have tried all tyres on various bikes over the years - but still come back to Bridgestone
See how you go
 
Hi all,
From the word go I was not happy with the Commander III's, hard compound, noisy, terrible in slippery conditions and they have a terrible profile - especially the rear, the rear being so flat on the bottom requires a lot of input at the bars to pitch it into corners.
I ran high pressures to improve it.
I started doing homework on alternatives.
I wanted more grip, and a better profile, tyre life was not important, I'd much prefer grip over mileage.
I decided on Pirelli Night Dragons, I fitted the front first (with my equipment I can only remove one wheel at a time) I noticed an improvement straight away.
The next day I fitted the new rear -
Wow, what an astonishing improvement, the rear tyre has a lovely rounded profile and performed as I'd hoped and expected.
The bike now feels way more agile and rolls from side to side with ease, very little effort needed at the bars. It feels like a lighter more planted bike, really nice and way more sporty.
I can't recommend this change highly enough. Even if you only change the rear the difference will be amazing.
 
Tire Recommendations is always good info; I'm still really happy with the CruiseTec tires that I mounted last year, high confidence and low road noise. Downside: I'm wearing down the Floorboard nubs through the twisties ...


Below images show the two brands/models side-by-side:


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Tire Recommendations is always good info; I'm still really happy with the CruiseTec tires that I mounted last year, high confidence and low road noise. Downside: I'm wearing down the Floorboard nubs through the twisties ...


Below images show the two brands/models side-by-side:


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This is what I did to my hero pegs, gives way more lean angle.20260802_145530.jpg
 
This is what I did to my hero pegs, gives way more lean angle.View attachment 22112
I like the idea of a sacrificial component to prevent damage to the underside of the chrome finish on the Floorboards.

Our Department Highway Wheel Units (HD) bike's floorboards are worn down to a point of being razor sharp..
 
So, a quick update. I've done 2,000 km on the Metzler CruiseTecs. Between the Commander IIIs and the CruiseTecs, for me and my riding style the CruiseTecs win hands down. Much better cornering, better all round handling, and better grip particularly in the rain and cold. Haven't fishttailed at all in rain since the change over. The CruiseTecs are quiet (I found the Commander IIIs were a bit noisy) and super smooth to ride with, but note that I'm on a TC not an R18 or Classic. Stopping distances are better on the CruiseTecs too, but not by huge amounts. I'm more confident on the CriuseTecs and have finally cracked a few low speed figure 8s in the carpark (still at 2 1/2 to 3 car widths though, so definitely can't brag; just gloating about being able to do them at all). No sign of wheel vibration at any point up to 5,000 rpms and surprisingly, my front wheel wear is nicely spread over the whole curve of the tyre minus the chicken strips at the edges. For me, the CruiseTecs are a signifcantly better bet. As per AdventureBoy's post (#33), I'll trade grip and handling for mileage so the Pirelli Night Dragons may be be my next try. Got another 8,000 or more kms to go before then though.
 
I replaced my tires at 11,340 miles; I now have 18,240 miles on the odometer, which works out to almost 7,000 miles (6,942 miles) on the METZLERS - which hardly show any wear at this point.

I'm hopeful I'll get between 12,000 - 14,000 miles out of the METZLERS.. more to follow a year or so from now.
 
Tire Recommendations is always good info; I'm still really happy with the CruiseTec tires that I mounted last year, high confidence and low road noise. Downside: I'm wearing down the Floorboard nubs through the twisties ...


Below images show the two brands/models side-by-side:


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LOL Metzeler is owned by Pirelli ... It would stand to reason that they have a similar 'feel' ;)
 
My 2023 currently has a staggering 3200 miles on it. I wasn't aware that Pirelli made Night Dragons for this bike. Years ago I put those on my 2010 Harley Wide Glide that I souped up into a monster replacing everything but the frame. 145 torque to the real wheel on a dyno. Put a Jims motor in it, replaced virtually everything....anyway, I was a big fan of those Night Dragons. My mechanic put him on his bike and then all his customers.
They don't last a long time, they are a softer tire, but the ride and handling is exceptional.
My Bike has Bridgestone Battle cruiser's that came from factory. They still look hardly worn. Next year I'll replace them with the Night Dragons. I'm not riding much, but when I do I want to get the most out of it.....
 
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